Comments on: Part XI – How the Kingdoms Advance Geopolitically http://churchrevolution.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/part-xi-how-the-kingdoms-advance-geopolitically/ Where is the charismatic church and where should it be going? Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:15:01 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: thinkingriddles http://churchrevolution.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/part-xi-how-the-kingdoms-advance-geopolitically/#comment-72 thinkingriddles Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:51:34 +0000 http://churchrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=113#comment-72 Beatthedrum, thanks for that comment. I agree, to be fair, you have to talk about all three of the major powers which played a significant and unique role in winning thw war. No slight to the rest of the commonwealth and others who fought, but it was the three major powers who were responsible for defeating Hitler. I have a post on my other blog which talks a little bit about the Russians in particular http://notyouroldconservatism.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/the-role-of-the-russians/ Moreover, Churchill was unquestionably the hero of the war, and the only one who saw it with real moral clarity. And if I were to expand the post, I would definitely want to talk about the role of the British in the 19th century which you alude to. As politically incorrect as it is to talk about, the British empire was a crucial foundation for gospel advance. I actually think that the fall of the Iron Curtain has opened doors for Protestant faith in Eastern Europe that had never been opened before. I think sometimes government by the wicked causes people to be ready for the Gospel in a way that freedom does not. Russia itself may have some different dynamics, and I'm not closely involved, so I'll defer on that, but I do know that an army of missionaries rushed in when the doors opened. Beatthedrum, thanks for that comment. I agree, to be fair, you have to talk about all three of the major powers which played a significant and unique role in winning thw war. No slight to the rest of the commonwealth and others who fought, but it was the three major powers who were responsible for defeating Hitler. I have a post on my other blog which talks a little bit about the Russians in particular http://notyouroldconservatism.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/the-role-of-the-russians/

Moreover, Churchill was unquestionably the hero of the war, and the only one who saw it with real moral clarity. And if I were to expand the post, I would definitely want to talk about the role of the British in the 19th century which you alude to. As politically incorrect as it is to talk about, the British empire was a crucial foundation for gospel advance.

I actually think that the fall of the Iron Curtain has opened doors for Protestant faith in Eastern Europe that had never been opened before. I think sometimes government by the wicked causes people to be ready for the Gospel in a way that freedom does not. Russia itself may have some different dynamics, and I’m not closely involved, so I’ll defer on that, but I do know that an army of missionaries rushed in when the doors opened.

]]> By: beatthedrum http://churchrevolution.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/part-xi-how-the-kingdoms-advance-geopolitically/#comment-69 beatthedrum Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:55:30 +0000 http://churchrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=113#comment-69 Cough the US defeated Hitler.... i think you might find we (British) had a hand in that as well as well as the :- Australians Canadians Indians South Africans Poles Free French New Zealanders And of course the Russians who really destroyed the Nazi war machine. It is also interesting that the Church in mainland Europe has really struggled since the end of WWII rather than be liberated it has shrunk and grown weak. The church in Russian has not grown since the fall of the soviet regime it has stagnated and in some ways has lost its edge. It is freer to worship but its zeal has been lost. The most vibrant churches in the world at the moment are the Chinese and Indian churches. Both of which are operating under the worst possible persecution. Maybe 'liberation' is not the way forward. I agree that God uses political and imperial powers to spread his Gospel, after all that are what parts of Daniel are about. This can also be seen in the British Empire of the 1700 and 1800’s when missionaries went around the globe. Cough the US defeated Hitler…. i think you might find we (British) had a hand in that as well as well as the :-

Australians
Canadians
Indians
South Africans
Poles
Free French
New Zealanders

And of course the Russians who really destroyed the Nazi war machine.

It is also interesting that the Church in mainland Europe has really struggled since the end of WWII rather than be liberated it has shrunk and grown weak.

The church in Russian has not grown since the fall of the soviet regime it has stagnated and in some ways has lost its edge. It is freer to worship but its zeal has been lost.

The most vibrant churches in the world at the moment are the Chinese and Indian churches. Both of which are operating under the worst possible persecution.

Maybe ‘liberation’ is not the way forward.

I agree that God uses political and imperial powers to spread his Gospel, after all that are what parts of Daniel are about. This can also be seen in the British Empire of the 1700 and 1800’s when missionaries went around the globe.

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