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Mike Bickle’s IHOP Eschatology

Posted by thinkingriddles on September 27, 2008

Mike Bickle has had a tremendous impact on the church in his generation.  One that far outstrips what most of us could hope for.   God called him at a very young age to be the pastor to the prophets of Kansas City.  These Kansas City Prophets went on to shock the worldwide church with the divine word and power of God.   Now that’s not to say that things were all right.  There were definitely issues, but it is to say that God used this team to do something very significant in the life of the church.   Then Mike taught on “Passion for Jesus” and the “Song of Solomon” and really helped a lot of people find the Love of God in a new and very significant way.   Mike is a household word in the Charismatic movement.

In the past couple of years he’s started teaching on what he calls “Apostolic Premillennialism”  Because few Charismatics have a well defined eschatology, and because of Bickle’s enormous influence, Apostolic Premil is making the rounds in the circles of the young radical types.  Bickle distinguishes this from other forms of pre-millennialism by it being more optimistic — more focused on the Apostolic character of the church that is supposed to be coming.    Apostolic Premillennialism is really an attempt at systemizing the Spirit of what Bickle learned from his spiritual mentor, Paul Cain.   Cain in turn, was passing on much of the eschatological emphasis of the Latter Rain.

One of the keys of the system is the role played by prayer.  Intimacy with God is the key of the end time church.  It is how the church will survive the tribulation.  It is the oil in the lamp of the ten virgins.   Intimacy is what you need and prayer is how you get it.   Of course that’s true, but the eschatological signficance may be a bit overblown.  Whenever we attach “end of the world” to our mission, it can get pretty trumped up.   Many Charismatics are telling us we’re the Joshua generation.  It seems like most generations in the last 100 years have thought and taught they were the last and final, super-significant generation.    I want to be the Joshua generation, but I’m fine with being the Moses generation too.   Or even the Abraham generation.   I plan on reforming the church and proclaiming the truth to my death bed and teaching my sons to do likewise.

Bickle’s entire focus has taken on a huge Eschatology focus.  It’s one of the main components with a huge multi DVD “Omega Course” to work through it all.   I don’t think that’s healthy.   I think it’s eerily like John Alexander Dowie, and William Branham’s end — where they started to think they were Elijah’s.  Or more possibily it’s like the turn into the ditch made by early Pentecostalism, when dispensationalism took hold and the power of God left the movement.    Now I’m not one to say that eschatology is insignificant.  These examples prove the opposite.   My argument is that when eschatology takes undue focus, it’s because you have the wrong eschatology.

Apostolic Premil suffers from the same problems as all Premil systems:  Double Vision.   The idea of a future millenium of physical dominion followed by the devil unleashed raises too many issues, and moves our interest away from the present and into the future.    Revelation becomes a book about a bunch of stuff that will happen at the end of the age, which we see as coming at any minute, but could be hundreds of years away.   The millenium is a time when believers rule under Christ, but then there are the other unbelievers… what are they doing, and where did they come from?  It’s double vision because the millennium is not future — it’s now.    The application of Revelation, is not past or future, it’s now.    The application of the parables is not future, it’s now.   The reign of the church is not later, it’s now.    Bickle has the right heart in the wrong system, and I fear that the system is taking over just like it did to another generations of radicals at the turn of the last century.   R.A. Torrey was one great giant whose later years were lesser than the first because he embraced premillennialism, at least so thought John G. Lake.

What’s right about Apostolic Premil is the part that came from the Latter Rain via Cain — that the church is increasing in glory, not just in size.  The final church will be a glorious representation of Jesus and reflection of the apostolic church.   The end of this age will be an Apostolic time.  Yes.

There will be a great tribulation.  But it is more continuous with our present time than we think.  This entire church age has been one of tribulation.  It’s only in the areas that Christ has to some degree conquered that the tribulation is lessened.   Whenever the Gospel makes it’s first inroads, the persecution is always severe.  There will be an antichrist figure and there will be a beast system.  But that too has had much precedent in history.  Hitler and the Nazi’s were a very good recent representation of the Anti-Christ and the beast system.  Whatever happens at the end, will be categorically similar to what they did, not some completely different thing.  The last days are not just in the future.  The last days are the entire era since the Apostles until now.

Intimacy will be important in that kind of a time, and Apostolic power will mark the church.  But let’s not put it into a premillennial framework.   The Latter Rain helped move the Pentecostal church which had been dried up by premillennialism away from that, and now we’ve come full circle to a Latter Rain-ized premillennialism.  We’ll get the same results.    The reign of God’s people is now through the church.  Not over governments but over the Spiritual powers of this world.  We’re despoling the enemy’s kingdom wherever we go.   That is what is important and that is what we have to stay focused on.  That is the ruling and reigning church that God will usher into the end of history.

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After Lakeland

Posted by thinkingriddles on September 27, 2008

Todd Bentley was exposed as being in the deception and sin of an inappropriate relationship with a female staff member.   The anoited but hard driving evangelist had fallen prey to the oldest of all sins.    It’s a sad story.  It’s sad for the church and it’s especially sad for Bentley, whose wife is separating from Him.   What is especially interesting is the variety of responses that people have had to his fall.

These three responses I think typify the three major categories of responses in the body.  Let me say up front, that I’m turned off by the attitude of those who seem to have the “I told you so” attitude.  When something is popular you can’t openly oppose it, or you’ll be marginalized, but once it collapses, you can now say forcefully what you believed all along.    Watching the tapes, I just have to believe that God worked in Lakeland.  It’s not the time for “I told you so’s.”  It’s the time for “I’m sorrys.”

The people that went down there to bless Todd got a lot of egg on their face, and they’ve had to explain themselves.  They are trying to make the distinction of supporting Todd without validating his ministry.   Yet, it’s really not that simple. If you watched any of the commissioning service, they had extensive over the top prophecies for him.  Which causes one to wonder what spirit are we in?   If something of this nature is going on, and a bunch of major leaders come down there and prophesy something akin to the second coming, not the second meltdown, it doesn’t seem very prophetic.

Moreover, the point of having that service was for these men to put their names on the line for revival.  I agree with Dutch Sheets that those who signed their name on the dotted line in any oversight capacity for Todd or the revival have a responsibility here.   If you put your imprimitur on something and it turns out to be something to be problematic, then you had a failure of due diligence or an error of judgement.  Either of which requires an open acknowledgement.   To go on and mince out why did what you did and how it wasn’t a validation, etc, is not acceptable.

There seems to be a certain group of Charismatics who are unable or unwilling to see anything that presents itself as “spiritual” with a critical lens on.  I was visitng a church like this during the peak of the revival, and they talked a lot about how if you are bothered by something like barking and howling you are being “religious.”  The problem with that is it’s a universal free pass.  If you don’t like this post you’re religious.  Convenient, isn’t it?  Does anything done in the name of the Lord go?   So here we have this huge embarrassment to the church, and all we can say is “it wasn’t about Todd anyway?”  Maybe you’re right.  Maybe it was really about another opportunity to validate the strange practices that have come to be part and parcel of being Charismatic.    “It’s going to continue without him”  Apparently it will.  It will continue in spite of any evidence presented that there might be some house cleaning needed in the Lord’s church.

I believe that it’s a “Joke’s on us” moment in the church.  This uncritical camp thought that that they were going to have Toronto Part II.  Look in the audience at one of these meetings and you’ll notice that the crowd is surprisingly old for such a young evangelist.   It was a group that had come up through charismatic experiences of a different era that was attracted to this.   The new generation might not have been so impressed.   Toronto was a significant move of God, but it also had problems.  I don’t believe God wants to repeat it, I believe He wants to take the next step forward in Hisotry.   Lakeland was an event that may separate and reshape the Charismatic movement.   Those who want to go on doing the Charismatic “thing” will apparently continue no matter what happens.   For others, it’s a gut check.   It says, “Hey, we missed something big.  It’s time to reform and reexamine”   We’re losing like one Charismatic giant every two years.  Paul Cain, Ted Haggard, Todd Bentley.

We need a reformation.  And we don’t need a bunch of arm chair quarterbacks.   We need people that are willing to realize that all of us who participated in a validated this kind of approach are part of this thing.  We need to become something different so God can do something different among us.

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